What Do War Crimes Warrants for Hamas and Israeli Leaders Actually Mean?
“You can’t just say: We’re acting in self-defense and
therefore the rules don’t apply to us.”
This morning, International Criminal Court Prosecutor Karim
A.A. Khan announced he was seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and three
Hamas leaders—Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, and Ismail
Haniyeh—for alleged war crimes.
If a panel of three ICC judges approve the warrants, Netanyhau and Gallant
could face charges for crimes against humanity, including the starvation of
civilians. The Hamas leaders could face charges including murder, taking
hostages, and torture, related to actions during and following the October 7th
attacks that resulted in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis and the
kidnapping of more than 250 hostages, including some Americans.
Israel, Hamas, and the United States all condemned the
news. President Biden called the announcement “outrageous.” Netanyahu said
that in seeking the warrants, Khan had created a “twisted and false moral
equivalence between the leaders of Israel and the henchmen of Hamas” and that
the ICC was denying Israel’s right to self-defense. Hamas said in a statement the ICC announcement “equates the victim with
the executioner.”
Khan refuted the idea that anyone was being unfairly
targeted, telling CNN in an exclusive interview announcing the
news that “this is not a witch hunt.”
“Nobody is above the law,” Khan added. “No people…have a get out of jail free card, have a
free pass to say, ‘well the law doesn’t apply to us.’”
“This
is not a witch hunt”: International Criminal Court Chief Prosecutor @KarimKhanQC appointed
an independent panel of international legal experts to review the arrest
warrant process. pic.twitter.com/ch2bZ5qa5U
— Christiane Amanpour (@amanpour) May 20, 2024
This afternoon, I called up David Bosco, executive associate dean and professor in the
Department of International Studies at Indiana University Bloomington, to
better understand the significance and ramifications of the news from the ICC.
Bosco is the author of Rough Justice: The International Criminal Court
in a World of Power Politics, and he has written about the relationship of the ICC to Israel and
Palestine. We spoke about the meaning, and limits, of today’s
announcement.
This interview has been lightly condensed and
edited.
I think when most people hear “arrest warrant,” they
assume imminent prosecution. But that’s not quite the case here—can you explain
what is actually happening right now?
The first important point is that all that’s happened
right now is that the prosecutor has requested there be arrest
warrants. Those have to be approved by a three-judge panel at the ICC. There’s
no arrest warrant issued until those judges decide. And that’s a process that
could take anywhere from a couple of weeks, to maybe even a couple of months.
And then if we do get arrest warrants—the ICC has no
police force, no SWAT team that can go in and arrest people. So long as [the]
people [prosecuted] are in Palestine or in Israel, it’s very unlikely that they
would appear at the Hague.
Can you say more about the significance of this
decision and what might have motivated the ICC prosecutor to make this
announcement?
I think the prosecutor really realizes how
controversial charges—particularly the charges against Israeli leaders—are
going to be, and is trying to provide as much support, and indicate that it’s
kind of not just his decision. So at the same time that he released his
statement, there was almost an amicus brief from a group of
international law experts supporting
the prosecutor’s decision. That’s also something unusual; the prosecutor
doesn’t usually have an expert panel backing him up on his decisions.
So what tangible impacts, if any, will these warrants
have on the leaders’ daily lives?
I think it’s going to vary. For the leaders of Hamas,
I don’t think there will be much impact, because either these people are in
Gaza or some of them are traveling to other parts of the region, but not
to countries that are ICC members.
Now for Netanyahu and Minister Gallant, it would be a
different situation, because these are people who would hope to travel widely
in representing Israel. If an arrest warrant ultimately is issued, that means
that Netanyahu and Gallant would have to be very careful about where they
travel, and traveling to an ICC member state will put them in significant risk,
because ICC member states have a legal obligation to detain somebody who’s been
charged by the court.
I saw the Israeli Foreign Minister has said he’s going to urge other foreign ministers not
to comply with the warrants if they are issued. Is it likely that Israel could
successfully exert pressure on ICC member states not to enforce this, or do you
think the pressure of being a member state would compel relevant countries to
comply?
We’ve already seen the United Kingdom—and I expect we’ll see more ICC member
states—expressing opposition to this move. But there’s a big difference between
saying, “we think the prosecutor got it wrong here,” and saying, “if an arrest
warrant comes out, we’re not going to obey it.” That would be a much bigger
step, and it would be very hard for many of these countries to take that step,
because then you are really kind of breaching your obligations to the ICC. And
many of the European countries were among the most supportive of creating the ICC,
so I think that would be a very hard step for them.
Can you also provide a little background context on
how it is that both the US and Israel are not member states of
the ICC? Historically, why did that happen?
US policy is actually quite responsible for the
creation of the ICC in a lot of ways. The US was the biggest supporter of the
Nuremberg trials, it was the biggest supporter of the Yugoslav war trials, and
the Rwanda Tribunal. And those things were ultimately what led to the creation of the ICC. So I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that
you wouldn’t have the ICC in historical terms if it hadn’t been for US policy
and US advocacy of international justice.
But the US has always had this kind of dual
personality, where it really likes international law in some respects, but gets
very nervous about accepting the jurisdiction of an international court. So the
US balked back in the 1990s, when the ICC was being negotiated, and decided
they did not want to ultimately be a part of the court once it became clear
they weren’t going to have control of the court’s docket.
The US is just not comfortable with the court
exercising jurisdiction over Americans, and Israel has felt very much the same
way.
Both sides have alleged that it’s unfair for their leaders
to be the subject of possible arrest warrants. From a symbolic perspective, is
the ICC equating the leaders of Israel with the leaders of Hamas? What kind of
signal is the ICC trying to send here?
I think what the ICC would say is, “we’re not in the
business of setting up equivalencies.” There are moral and historical questions
that weigh on how you see Hamas compared to how you see the government of
Israel. And I think what the ICC would say is: That’s not our job; our job is
to simply assess whether there are individuals who have committed war crimes or
crimes against humanity—saying that Netanyahu may have committed war crimes is
not the same thing as saying that Netanyahu is the same as the leader of Hamas.
But inevitably, in the public discourse, people tend to say: “Whoa, the ICC is
treating them all the same.”
If you think about World War II, for example, the
Nuremberg trials, of course, focused on the crimes of Nazi Germany. But there
were undoubtedly war crimes committed by the US and by the British during World
War II. It so happened that the Nuremberg trials were set up so they could only
consider the crimes of the Axis powers, but it’s probably not inaccurate to say
that Franklin Roosevelt or Harry Truman committed war crimes. That doesn’t mean
that they’re equivalent to Nazi leaders. So I think the ICC would say: That’s a
judgment for historians, and ethicists and things—that’s not our job. Our job
is to simply decide if there were crimes committed and investigate and
prosecute those.
Israeli officials have continually tried to justify
the strength of their response and the conditions in Gaza by saying they’re
acting in self-defense. Do the charges that the Israeli leaders could face if
these warrants are issued negate that argument?
No. Because basically in international law, there’s a
divide between what’s referred to as jus ad bellum—that’s Latin for
the right to use force. And how you use force, jus in bello. And
those two are considered to be separate. So you can say that Israel was
justified in using force in Gaza as a matter of self-defense. And that might be
right from a legal perspective, when it comes to the right to use force. But
that is a totally separate question from the question of what you do during the
conduct of hostilities. And the same standards are supposed to apply to
countries whether they are the aggressor or whether they’re the one defending.
So whether they are just in their war or unjust they’re going to be subject to
the same rules about how you use force.
You can’t just say: We’re acting in self-defense and
therefore the rules don’t apply to us.
Now, there are a bunch of really hard questions that
prosecutors—if this ever reaches trial—are going to have to show, like, for
example, “how much humanitarian aid are you obliged to let in during a
conflict?” These are complicated questions where you’re balancing the military
necessity versus the humanitarian impact.
But the short answer is: no, the fact that Israel
might be acting in self-defense doesn’t absolve it from legal scrutiny.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that this could jeopardize ongoing efforts to
reach a ceasefire deal. What’s your response to that, do you agree?
He’s pointing to a dilemma that has often been
identified around international criminal justice, which is that there may be
simultaneously the need to try to develop a pathway out of the conflict at a
diplomatic level while there is a need to try to pursue justice and investigate
crimes.
It’s hard to judge how accurate that is. There is a
mechanism for trying to get out of that dilemma, if you really think it is a
dilemma. The UN Security Council actually has the power to freeze an ICC investigation, because I think that people drafting the ICC statute
didn’t realize that there might be a situation where we need to prioritize
diplomacy over an investigation.
Just so I understand, is the thought that Israeli
leaders would be unwilling to travel to neutral ground because they’re worried
about the threat of arrest? How would the arrest warrant practically impact
their decision about whether or not to engage in diplomacy?
That’s a very good question, and I don’t think it’s
very clear. I think if there were to be negotiations, it would be in a place
like Egypt or, you know, somewhere that’s not an ICC member state. So it really
wouldn’t be an issue in terms of exposure to arrests—so I don’t think that’s
the issue.
I think it’s more that the kind of outrage, honestly,
that Israeli officials might feel, having been targeted in this way, that would
make them less willing to engage in a diplomatic [manner]. But I don’t know
that that’s right. I’m skeptical that that argument is necessarily the case
here, that the justice process is necessarily getting in the way of diplomacy.
And Israel, certainly, and the US, have an incentive to kind of exaggerate, I
would say, that possibility.
How do you think this—the issuing of the warrants for
Israeli leaders, and the US’s strong condemnations of it—impacts the perception
of the US, considering that one of this country’s closest allies is being
pursued by the ICC alongside the group responsible for carrying out the Oct. 7
attacks and Vladimir Putin, who was charged by the ICC for his role in
the war in Ukraine?
I think the perception of the US on these issues is
that the US engages in double standards when it comes to international justice.
I think that perception is pretty baked into the view of the US, particularly
on these issues, so I don’t think the fact that some US officials were very
positive about the charges against Putin are now outraged by the charges
against Israeli officials [is surprising]. I think that’ll just kind of
reinforce and confirm that sense that ultimately, it all comes down to politics.
At this point, the ICC news is largely symbolic—there
won’t be any imminent arrests or prosecutions—and the International Court of
Justice case brought by South Africa alleging
Israel is committing genocide in Gaza will take years to play out. So what purpose
would you say these international institutions have when they can’t take any
imminent action to address the humanitarian crisis that’s unfolding as we speak? Is there any reason for people who
are concerned about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to actually put faith in
these institutions?
The short answer is I don’t think people should have a
lot of faith in the ability of international judicial institutions to deal with
a situation like this, or to really meaningfully impact a situation like this.
Just like when we saw the arrest warrants against Putin and other Russian
officials—within a few weeks, those were pretty much forgotten, and the war has
continued, and there’s no sign it’s made any difference. So that is the
reality: often times international law and international judicial institutions
are going to have very little impact on these ongoing crises.
That’s not the same as saying they’re irrelevant.
Because we have to also think about the very long-term, gradual impact on norms
of behavior in the international system. And you have to think about what
incentives are being created for other national leaders down the road. And that
is hard to judge, but international law may not be as meaningless as it
sometimes seems in the midst of a crisis like this.
The ICC is a very new creation. The idea that in the
midst of an ongoing conflict, you’re having charges brought against officials
for that conflict—this is a very new experiment. So that’s why, I think, we
have to be careful about saying, “well, it’s not having an immediate impact,
and therefore it’s irrelevant.” The international legal system is in a very
gradual development toward what we hope, ultimately, will be a well-functioning
system, that is really now a kind of embryonic system.
The way to be somewhat optimistic about it is the
question is not: “Are these moves by the ICC going to change the Gaza
conflict?” It is: “Are we making one step in the process that 20, 25 years down
the road is really going to be impacting the way that leaders think?”
Do you have an answer to that question at this
point?
I think it’s really kind of up in the air. I don’t
think we know how this experiment is going to play out.
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